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Modal headache... [Jul. 28th, 2006|03:53 am]
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Im a guitarist, i've been playing for 14 years, im now 20. I am fairly new to music theory, i have taken guitar lessons (for a while from Jason Moss of the Cherry Poppin Daddies) and ive even taken a music fundamentals class, and i understand a lot but one thing that gets me time and time again are the modes *insert suspensful music here* Ive got the basic concept of the Maj scale modes but im having trouble applying that. Any suggestions or tips on learning to fully understand the modes?

Thanks for anyhelp..

[User Picture]From: dirty_deeds
2006-07-28 03:30 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure what you are asking...could you expand?

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[User Picture]From: dirty_deeds
2006-07-28 03:31 pm (UTC)
Uh, that is, further explain your question. I don't actually need you to expand, although if you were capable of doing that I would be really impressed, and request some sort of video, and then probably post that video on youtube claiming that it was my idea, and get lots of 1nt3rn3t fame.
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[User Picture]From: musicman1804
2006-07-29 04:27 am (UTC)
Well, im not very good at wording things, and sadly no i cant expand on command so no fame for you. :( I play mostly progressive rock a lot like dream theater, i play lead guitar and i dont want to be stuck in a rut forever like i am now, and also i give guitar lessons so any knowledge is good i think regardless of wether or not i can apply it. I am basicaly asking for simplified ways of learning how the modes work, and how they are applied to chords. If this makes anymore sense,,i salute you.
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[User Picture]From: dirty_deeds
2006-07-29 01:23 pm (UTC)
this seemed to give me a lot of hits - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22modes%22+%22dorian%22

I think if you play progressive rock and give guitar lessons it's almost beyond essential for you to understand and be fluent in the basic diatonic modes.
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[User Picture]From: ruditherudeboy
2006-07-28 08:44 pm (UTC)
Outside of Jazz and Classical, you don't get a very good chance to work with applying modes/modal theory...

So, I'd suggest go listen to as much Jazz and Classical music, preferably with sheet music by your side to follow along with.
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[User Picture]From: ruditherudeboy
2006-07-28 11:38 pm (UTC)
Yeah. I used to live in Eugene. I love teh Cherry Poppin daddies.
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[User Picture]From: dirty_deeds
2006-07-28 11:09 pm (UTC)
I'd disagree, modes are a pretty essential part of a lot of the music we hear (especially in pop and rock), at least in America...
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[User Picture]From: ruditherudeboy
2006-07-28 11:39 pm (UTC)
Oh, they are very much an essential part of music we hear, but actually working to apply and understand them in your basic pop and rock songs?
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[User Picture]From: lsur
2006-07-29 04:35 pm (UTC)
I found that learning the patterns on guitar helped my ear a lot. I learned them in two ways - play C majour then play a scale starting on each step of the scale. That's fairly basic. But then, learn the patterns of tones and semitones for each and play them all starting from the same note eg C.

The result was that I could recognise them when used in music I happened to be hearing. Progressive rock\metal for example uses them a lot.

Once you can recognise the mode that is being used, you know what chords to use. These come from harmonising the particular major scale then putting the chords in the right order for each mode of that scale.

So, when you can do that, you can improvise or compose using the appropriate scale/mode and chords.
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